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Post by felliniblank on Jul 18, 2011 6:57:55 GMT -5
[conv picked up from MeFi thread] Yeah, that lab scene was . . . something. I think the objection back at the very top of the MeFi thread to the show's "long silences" has been pretty much conclusively answered by Gus not speaking for like 10 minutes, to beautiful effect. Did you catch the sudden bloodthirsty look in Jesse's eyes during the height of the scene? I saw a brief teaser interview with Aaron Paul in which he said this season Gus "sees something" intriguing in Jesse that he can put to use. Ugh. Yay, post-mayhem pancakes added to the viewing refreshment list! Plus I'm pretty sure Walt's post-mayhem t-shirt will become a total fashion trend. Am I the only one who discovers, after a scene or episode, that I've literally been sitting with my mouth hanging open for several minutes (more at the style/composition than the content). I used to do that with The Wire sometimes too. |
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Post by bitteschoen on Jul 18, 2011 8:08:58 GMT -5
Hello! and thanks for opening the thread to continue the conversation here. Before I learn how to use those tags properly here all I'm going to say is - oh no you're not the only one who gets the mouth hanging open thing. I just had to close it for that thankfully brief gag reflex moment. (Nothing like seeing someone fighting the urge to make you feel that urge yourself!)
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Post by bonzai on Jul 18, 2011 17:17:57 GMT -5
So when Walt kills Gus and takes over his business will he bring Mike along or kill him too?
(It's obvious right?)
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Post by felliniblank on Jul 18, 2011 18:27:28 GMT -5
After what I saw last night, I'm guessing Walt will have Gus killed but lacks the ability to do it himself. Whereas Jesse . . . he has the stone killer gene.
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Post by shakespeherian on Jul 18, 2011 20:20:37 GMT -5
Did anyone else shout outrageously at the match-on-action cut between the mop and the french fries?
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Post by mannequito on Jul 18, 2011 20:31:21 GMT -5
if by 'shout outrageously' you mean giggle gin n tonic down the front of my shirt while clapping furiously, then yes, yes I did. That transition immediately brought to mind the scene in Friday the 13th p.2 (maybe 3?) - pov is from Jason as he advances menacingly on the one girl's little lap dog, and then a quick cut to a closeup of some hot dogs on a bbq while the counselor happily calls for everyone to come get 'em while they're hot.
The staredown between Gus and Jessie was the highlight of the episode though. Is Gus gonna have him replace the now-deceased Victor?
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Post by shakespeherian on Jul 18, 2011 21:03:20 GMT -5
Yeah that was my thought.
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Post by freehugs on Jul 19, 2011 22:18:05 GMT -5
==spoilers==
I have to admit that some of the plot twists didn't make sense to me on first viewing. Victor suddenly being a badass cook seemed out of the blue. I don't recall any foreshadowing at all last season. Though of course he was watching them closely.
I also couldn't figure out right away why Gus would kill Victor. Was there something I missed there? I suppose Victor was probably pissed enough at Walter that he wouldn't have agreed to keep Walter alive. He had probably been lobbying to kill Walter for some time. It seems like Gus is obsessed with having the ultimate blue meth as his product. It also seems like Gus is becoming obsessed with Walter too, and determined to control him. That would explain his poor judgement, when he is usually so careful.
I try not to watch the teasers, so I may have missed something there. If so, no need to clarify for my sake...
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Post by mannequito on Jul 20, 2011 2:08:28 GMT -5
Pretty sure Gus killed Victor because he walked into the crime scene at Gale's apartment and was seen by all the neighbors. Wasn't there a conversation between him and Mike about that earlier in the episode?
Plus I assume he was supposed to remove any links to their operation, which he failed to do as we saw at the very end ('Lab Notes' notebook on the coffee table),
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Post by felliniblank on Jul 21, 2011 9:19:33 GMT -5
Also, it offered another convenient opportunity to fuck with Walt's head. "Right, you want to be The Cook and eliminate the competition for your job? Fine then -- here's how we do that."
But that's more about how than why. Victor was probably dead meat just for failing to stop Jesse from getting to Gale even before dashing into the crime scene.
The unexpectedness of Victor's cooking skills is brilliant -- we got to share Walt's fixation on Gale as his chief problem only to realize Gus was outthinking him.
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Post by shakespeherian on Jul 22, 2011 11:22:10 GMT -5
Well, and the conflict in the episode is that Walt has violated Gus's trust by killing one of his employees, and Walt keeps trying to justify his actions to Gus. Then Gus cuts one of his employee's throats right in front of Walt, with no provocation, which demonstrates exactly how emotional Gus is about the deaths of his employees, and that Walt is a weaker man than Gus because after he kills someone he tries to talk his way out of it-- Gus kills someone without saying a word, puts his tie back on, and stalks out of the room.
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Post by freehugs on Jul 23, 2011 22:22:34 GMT -5
Oooooh, that makes so much sense!
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