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Post by nubs on Jun 21, 2011 13:19:45 GMT -5
Anyone else here who has read all the books thus far who wants to engage in discussion about R+L=J or what's going up with Bran beyond the Wall, or what name Brienne called out or who is going to die in the next book? Or even how well HBO will be able to handle next season, what with the massive battle at the end?
I'm aching for some intelligent conversation about the books - most people I know are just starting them and I'm trying hard to avoid spoiling others.
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Post by russilwvong on Jun 21, 2011 15:48:12 GMT -5
Maybe this should be in the Rampant Speculation area?
"Or even how well HBO will be able to handle next season, what with the massive battle at the end?"
That's an excellent question. The structure of the entire book is a long buildup to the battle. The scene with the wildfire on the river could be done with CGI, perhaps?
It's ironic that George R. R. Martin started writing the series after being frustrated with the constraints imposed by television... and now it's being adapted for television.
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Post by PhoBWanKenobi on Jun 21, 2011 15:59:08 GMT -5
This is a section just for people who want to chat about the books, so it's fine here. *ducking out before I get spoiled  * |
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Post by russilwvong on Jun 21, 2011 16:11:10 GMT -5
Who's going to die in the next book? If I remember correctly, A Storm of Swords emphasizes that the kinslayer is doomed. Robb executes Rickard Karstark, and is killed himself. Tyrion kills his father at the end of A Storm of Swords. To me, this strongly suggests that Tyrion is going to die at some point. I'm looking forward to A Dance with Dragons--but honestly, I don't have a good idea what happens next. At this point in the story, Daenerys is ruling a city, and Jon Snow is Lord Commander of the Night's Watch--but I'm guessing they're not going to find wielding power any easier than Eddard did, or Tyrion, or Cersei. |
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Post by nubs on Jun 21, 2011 16:25:51 GMT -5
Thanks PhoBWanKenobi. I wasn't sure, and put it here on the basis that it is speculation based on spoilers from the books. I don't want to inadvertently spoil things for anyone else.
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Post by nubs on Jun 21, 2011 16:40:45 GMT -5
Who's going to die in the next book? If I remember correctly, A Storm of Swords emphasizes that the kinslayer is doomed. Robb executes Rickard Karstark, and is killed himself. Tyrion kills his father at the end of A Storm of Swords. To me, this strongly suggests that Tyrion is going to die at some point. Interesting thoughts. I had forgotten that whole kinslaying theme that came up in Storm. I think there was another example in the book, too, but can't recall it right now. I suspect Tyrion will live a while longer yet - I think his knowledge of dragons will be important for Dany...but I am afraid that his fate will not be kind, as seems to happen to too many characters. One of the characters I am the most interested in, fate wise, is Ser Loras. According to the events of Feast, he is near death after storming Dragonstone...but that happened off-screen, and has me wondering if he really was injured or if some other game is afoot to leave Cersei and the Lannisters vulnerable The other character who is apparently dead/will die during the course of the next book is Davos Seaworth. In Feast, we are told he is executed, but again it happens off screen so I don't trust it |
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Post by russilwvong on Jun 21, 2011 16:45:38 GMT -5
I would guess that Loras is indeed horribly burned--his beauty is not just gone, it's been utterly destroyed, just as Jaime (the epitome of the fearless Warrior) has lost his sword hand. |
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Post by russilwvong on Jun 21, 2011 17:10:03 GMT -5
I would guess that Davos Seaworth is still alive.
My feeling is that Martin does not, in fact, kill his heroes off randomly. His stories are tragedies, in the Greek sense: the hero dies because of a tragic flaw in his character. Eddard shows mercy to Cersei. Robb breaks his word to the Freys by marrying Jeyne Westerling. A major thread in A Clash of Kings is the story of Theon Greyjoy, who betrays Robb and seizes Winterfell.
So far I haven't seen what flaw Davos has that would end in his destruction--unless it's his loyalty to Stannis.
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Post by nubs on Jun 21, 2011 17:41:10 GMT -5
No, Martin kills none of the major characters randomly. Each one has been done to underline something about the world or his themes.
I will be really disappointed if Davos has been killed - at least, if it is by anyone but Stannis. Davos, to me, is kind of Ned 2.0 - decent, loyal, honest, but also more than willing to do things that bend from those traits for the greater good - such as removing Robert's bastard from Dragonstone.
If Ned was more like Davos, he would have taken Renly up on his offer and seized the Lannister children early. But no one would've been hurt. |
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Post by russilwvong on Jun 21, 2011 19:22:24 GMT -5
"But no one would've been hurt."
Well, not no one -- there's a good chance that a few people would have been killed, as when Cersei sends her guards to seize Arya.
I thought Martin did an excellent job of depicting how a coup d'etat works. Eddard may have the right to take the throne, but Cersei has more swords.
Eddard doesn't neglect power entirely. He believes that he has the City Watch behind him--but he's betrayed by Littlefinger. |
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Post by mrzarquon on Jun 21, 2011 23:31:43 GMT -5
I would say we could probably post everything here *outside* of the spoiler tags, because the entire thread is a giant spoiler, yes?
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Post by PhoBWanKenobi on Jun 21, 2011 23:47:58 GMT -5
You have admin permission to do so if you want--I'd hope that no one would complain about spoilers in a post titled "nasty, nasty spoilers."
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Post by russilwvong on Jun 22, 2011 11:03:27 GMT -5
I would say we could probably post everything here *outside* of the spoiler tags, because the entire thread is a giant spoiler, yes? Sure. I'm just taking every possible opportunity to use the spoiler tag because it's so awesome. |
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Post by nubs on Jun 22, 2011 11:33:06 GMT -5
It's ironic that George R. R. Martin started writing the series after being frustrated with the constraints imposed by television... and now it's being adapted for television. Missed this yesterday. I believe Martin is actual responsible for writing the Battle on the Blackwater episode for next season and is finding it very difficult to do. Ah, here's the quote from his blog: writing the first draft of my script for episode nine of season two of the HBO series GAME OF THRONES, "Blackwater," and damn, but this one is a bitch of an adaptation, the original author made the damn battle way too big and too expensive, |
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Post by Ms Harriet Vane on Jun 23, 2011 6:43:51 GMT -5
Hehe, hoist with your own petard, Martin!
I'm looking forward to dreading the Red Wedding. It was the most gob-smacking scene in the books so far, and I had to re-read it just to get it to sink in.
I'd like to see more of the prophetic dreams on screen, Dany's in particular.
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