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Post by PhoBWanKenobi on Jun 16, 2011 17:25:56 GMT -5
Discussion for "A Good Man Goes to War" goes here.
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Post by Ms Harriet Vane on Jun 17, 2011 3:43:21 GMT -5
I've said most of what I'd like to say about this episode over at MeFi. But damn, that ganger baby going all goozzy was great. I jumped a mile.
Should speculation on what the title of the next episode might mean go here, or in the speculation area?
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Post by PhoBWanKenobi on Jun 17, 2011 9:46:52 GMT -5
I have some wild speculation for it, so I'll start a thread over there.
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Post by We had a deal, Kyle on Jun 17, 2011 22:23:05 GMT -5
I liked the episode, but:
It felt a bit disjointed and choppy to me. I think a lot of that was deliberate. We shouldn't feel to comfortable because there's a lot of stuff going down. But still, I think it could have done with a little more breathing room. The gangers story stretched a little thin over two parts; this one squeezed a little tight into one.
The destruction the Doctor wrought on the Cyberman outpost bothered me. "Not a drop of blood shed", eh? WELL NOT IF YOU DON'T COUNT THE UMPTEEN CYBORGS HE BLEW UP EARLIER.
I liked the two matter-of-fact gay couples. Although he did undercut it a bit by promptly lopping the head off the chunky gay marine.
Lady Vastra is marvellous. But -- and I hate to say this -- the bringing back of old foes and allies to fight alongside the Doctor did whiff a bit of "well, we've got all these costumes in storage, might as well use them".
Finally: didn't we already cover "Timelord gets too big for his britches" at the end of the Tennant run? Different britches, I guess, that was the Doctor deciding he didn't have to follow his own rules, while this is the Doctor trading too heavily in the wrong kind of reputation.
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Post by PhoBWanKenobi on Jun 18, 2011 14:13:30 GMT -5
I liked the episode, but: It felt a bit disjointed and choppy to me. I think a lot of that was deliberate. We shouldn't feel to comfortable because there's a lot of stuff going down. But still, I think it could have done with a little more breathing room. The gangers story stretched a little thin over two parts; this one squeezed a little tight into one. The destruction the Doctor wrought on the Cyberman outpost bothered me. "Not a drop of blood shed", eh? WELL NOT IF YOU DON'T COUNT THE UMPTEEN CYBORGS HE BLEW UP EARLIER. I liked the two matter-of-fact gay couples. Although he did undercut it a bit by promptly lopping the head off the chunky gay marine. Lady Vastra is marvellous. But -- and I hate to say this -- the bringing back of old foes and allies to fight alongside the Doctor did whiff a bit of "well, we've got all these costumes in storage, might as well use them". Finally: didn't we already cover "Timelord gets too big for his britches" at the end of the Tennant run? Different britches, I guess, that was the Doctor deciding he didn't have to follow his own rules, while this is the Doctor trading too heavily in the wrong kind of reputation. I agree that a lot of the choppiness feels deliberate. In fact, I suspect this is because we're seeing the end half of the story here--Moffat is playing with the subjectivity of time travel just like he did in Silence of the Library/Forest of the Dead. I suspect that in "Let's Kill Hitler!" we'll see his initial meeting with Lady Vastra, with Lorna Bucket*, that many of the pieces will fall into place. My hesitation with thinking that's the case, though, is that I think since Forest of the Dead, Moffat's been much better at setting up two parters than resolving them. * Anyone else think she might be a regeneration of River? Anyone?
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Post by panboi on Jun 19, 2011 6:55:57 GMT -5
There were some great moments, but I felt it was a little flat at the end of it. The incredible cliff-hanger that we were promised wasn't actually delivered.
I've got great faith in Moffat though so I'm sure this will all get turned around when the series resumes. Also, you can't really fail with Nazis can you?
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Post by Ms Harriet Vane on Jun 19, 2011 8:26:49 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing about your spoilery speculation, because... ...of the name. Lorna Bucket is like the John Smith of water-containing names. Lorna doesn't seem to have any particular meaning besides being a place-name turned first-name popular in Scotland, which could still be a tribute to Amy.
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Post by armyofkittens on Jun 21, 2011 13:08:20 GMT -5
My hesitation with thinking that's the case, though, is that I think since Forest of the Dead, Moffat's been much better at setting up two parters than resolving them. I agree with this. I do think he's a lot better than RTD at that, since he arse-pulls much less, but I think sometimes he lacks discipline. The Cybermen scene was only there to set Rory up as a determined badass just so he could bring it all crashing down when he finds Amy and starts crying, and that could have been done on the space station proper, with more time for plot. I loved the episode to bits; thought it was a wonderful rollercoaster ride, but sometimes it seems as if all Who is going that way -- all flash and no substance -- which would be a pity.
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Post by orrnyereg on Jun 21, 2011 13:31:41 GMT -5
When she introduced herself as Lorna Bucket, did anyone else think of 'Keeping up Appearances'? "This is the Boo-KAY TARDIS, lady of the house speaking!"
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Post by Space Kitty on Jun 21, 2011 16:06:15 GMT -5
Just have to have a moment for how amazingly badass Rory was in this episode, and how much I love that The Doctor speaks baby.
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Post by artw on Jun 21, 2011 18:37:55 GMT -5
"Big Milk Thing" gets a thumbs up.
Actually it all pretty much gets a thumbs up, apart from thecreepy Woody Allen vibe. And that's not creepy in a good, Moffat-knows-what-he's-doing kind of way, it's creepy in an iffy Moffat-doesn't-seem-to-realise-how-creepy-the-grooming-aspect would seem kind of way.
Hopefully future greatness will put that out of mind.
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Post by PhoBWanKenobi on Jun 21, 2011 19:59:05 GMT -5
"Big Milk Thing" gets a thumbs up. Actually it all pretty much gets a thumbs up, apart from thecreepy Woody Allen vibe. And that's not creepy in a good, Moffat-knows-what-he's-doing kind of way, it's creepy in an iffy Moffat-doesn't-seem-to-realise-how-creepy-the-grooming-aspect would seem kind of way. Hopefully future greatness will put that out of mind. Hmm, you know, that's funny, because I was just reading a review of one of Moffat's stated big inspirations-- The Time Traveler's Wife--that raised that exact charge against that book. Which seemed a touch more feasible to me. It's odd if someone knew someone they ended up marrying as a kid, but it doesn't necessarily equal child grooming (and it's a trope so common in fannish culture . . . let's face it, sometimes, I get the feeling that Moffat and Davis are little more than fanfic writers, in both the best and worst possible ways). Though it really depends on how present he is in River's childhood though, I guess.
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Post by orrnyereg on Jun 22, 2011 8:11:47 GMT -5
I wonder whether Moffat has painted himself into a corner with this River Song business. Are all future Doctors going to have to interact with River at different ages? Are the Pond-Williamses going to keep traveling around with baby in tow? And yes, the ickiness of it all. The kissy-face stuff just before the Doctor leaves gave me the creeps, to be honest. Woody Allen is exactly right. How does this plotline resolve without the Doctor looking like a dirty old man?
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